Growing Through Crisis

Growing Through Crisis


In this episode, I am joined by my good friend Jason Schnitzer, to discuss the idea of growing through a crisis. Now this pandemic has forced us to encounter challenges like we have never seen before, but instead of viewing these challenges as something to endure we can view them as opportunities for growth. Check out our discussion as we dive into our personal realizations through this pandemic, and how we can all use this time to cultivate strength, hope, and love. Enjoy!

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Speaker 1 (00:04):

Hey everyone, and welcome to a, another episode of the restorative minds show. Uh my name is Matt Codde is clinical social worker. And today I have a special guest by the name of Jason Schnitzer on with me and we're gonna try to do something different on the show today. Um, you know, uh, normally it is just me and sometimes I'll have guests occasionally, but, um, I wanted to bring Jason on today. He's a close friend of mine and, and, and the reason is is because, um, we were having a really good discussion, just, just, you know, just as a regular talk, um, just kind of about everything that's going on with this pandemic and all that. Um, and I, I thought it would be beneficial to, you know, uh, take this topic and kind of, um, you know, put it into the episode and kind of put some of the stuff we've been talking about out there to, to stimulate some thoughts and um, and everything like that with, um, with people in the community.

Speaker 1 (01:08):

So first and foremost is, Hey, Jason. Hello Matthew. And so, um, so I wanted to, um, just just start off, um, the show today and I wanted to just talk about, you know, this idea of, of what we were talking about as a whole being that yes, you know, this covert 19 pandemic is something like we've never seen before. Um, but you know, we got into this, this concept because it's being said again and again and again and again of this idea of an unprecedented thing, right? Like something we've never seen before and that's, that's what's causing a lot of people, you know, so much fear and anxiety and uncertainty, right. This idea that we'd never handled, had to handle something I said before. So there's no, there's no blueprint, there's no playbook on what to do. There is just to kind of this thing unfolding. Um, and you, you had brought up some ideas on this unprecedented time and, um, you know, I just wanted to hear your thoughts and hear what you had to say about that.

Speaker 2 (02:06):

Yeah. You know, I feel like I've been preaching a about it a little bit for a couple of years now, but my whole thing was, is, you know, we're coming out of a time in our lives that I just felt like it was just too easy to be alive. Um, you know, going back however many hundreds, even just hundreds of years, you know, we were, we were worried about, you know, hand to mouth, uh, just feeding our families and having no worry about, you know, our wolves going to get us on our walks to work and hunting for food. Um, whereas now, you know, you can pretty much just push a button and get whatever you want at your front door.

Speaker 1 (02:50):

Yeah, no. And then, and I know we were talking about that and it's just that, that idea of like, we, we were actually living in an unprecedented time, bright before this pandemic started and you know, where absolutely think things that just become so easy, you know, and then, but the, the ironic thing, and here here I think was the ironic thing about, because he's, I think the most important thing for, for people during this time is to like, okay, look, yes, we're in this pandemic. Yes, it's awful. Yes, there's, there's many terrible things happening. But then there's these like secondary benefits that are, that people are seeing, like the idea of slowing down, right? Like just the idea of like, you know, I had, um, just tonight we had another, another couple over and we did like a social distancing barbecue yesterday, right. Where we, you know, we had a baby and we just went and kind of sat at a bench.

Speaker 1 (03:42):

Right. And we, you know, took the time to prepare food and just had a slow, nice meal with, with just two other people. Right. And, and it was something just so nice about it cause we hadn't done it in forever, you know, where it was just like we just had conversation, you know, we didn't have phones out, we weren't, you know, doing anything like that. It was just talking with people. Right. And, and I think that because life had become so automated in many ways where it was like anything was just on demand. Like if I wanted a Krispy Kreme donut, it was as simple as not I w I did not even that I drive there to get it anymore. Right. It's just like you can literally, it's not even that you have to go out and get something that someone else made for you. It's simply I just have to type something into my phone and someone will not only pick it up from me and deliver it right to my door. Right. Like that's, that was the time we were living in where things had become so automated that then it became this kind of incessant drive to just always be busy and always be productive and just live at an insane pace. Because, you know, I mean, I don't know. Do you relate to that?

Speaker 2 (04:45):

Yeah, absolutely. It's like you're flexing that impulse muscle and it's like with anything, the more you do something kind of like, the more normal it becomes. You know? And a, a really, really good realization for that for me is, you know, I did my little trip to Idaho, uh, this past year, a little hunting trip to Idaho and, you know, no service where we were at. So it was just really interesting. How long were you there? I was there for 15 days, so a couple of weeks. So off the, off the internet grid for two weeks, basically in and out, we'll call it. But, uh, but the biggest realization that I felt was, is my impulse to like grab my phone and just check social media or just thinking that like I needed to do something. So I feel like that, that, and you know, after, uh, not having it for a while, I caught myself now paying more attention to the moment and being more aware of other people doing those sorts of things. Um, so yeah, I think, uh, we were in that type of a situation without even knowing. It just kinda like you keep on, uh, like I said, flex that muscle. I think

Speaker 1 (05:58):

it's, yeah. And, and you know, it's, I mean, there, there's a couple of like main thoughts. Like, I mean, you know, like, like you said, it was just so easy to, to be alive, right? Like, like living wasn't a struggle. It became so automated that you take not having that struggle for granted, you know? And now not that many of us are in, let's say, I wouldn't say like, like physical day. I mean, of course there's this fire's going around, we need to be cautious of it. Right. But even, you know, there's, there's studies that are showing, like many of us may have already been exposed to it, you know what I mean? We don't all, all this stuff. We don't know. Everything's just unfolding day after day after day. Right. But, but the thing is, is life as we knew it essentially just got the brakes hit on it.

Speaker 1 (06:45):

Right. And it caused a lot of that, you know, it's caused me, it's caused, you know, most of the people I know. And, and I think most of the people that, um, are, are listening, you know, decide to at least have stuff come to the surface to address within yourself. Like, you know, like I like if I'm just being super transparent and I think I was talking to you about it, it's like [inaudible] you know, I could easily get just caught up in work right into the point where I'm neglecting my wife in, in, in many ways where I'm like, just so I'll come home and I'm checking emails where she's trying to tell me something. And, and you know, it's embarrassing to even say out loud sometimes cause it's like I was just operating at a, at an unhealthy pace in many ways, you know, and, and just kind of sitting there and been like, you know, like, what am I doing?

Speaker 1 (07:30):

You know, like, what am I really doing? You know, am I just doing stuff to do it and trying to automate all these things in my life and not taking, not taking for, for not, not realizing the actual like great things that are there, you know, right in front of you there are we all doing this in the first place? Right, right, right. Yeah. And, and so and just, but, but I think that the secondary, what I'm, what I'm hearing from a lot of people anyway is that, and in this from emails and just stuff that I'm getting is just this idea of like, you know, this break, while it's been tough in many ways it's actually been a blessing in disguise for many people of just saying like, I'm just putting the question how you were living, you know? And I think, I think one of the biggest things that I'm trying to take away from this is just not cause I can feel myself, I can feel myself just gravitating towards that idea.

Speaker 1 (08:17):

Like, okay, I really hope this band lifts, you know, and because then I really want to go on this trip that we were planning this summer or you know, what rag, I like this, this craving to get back into how it was. Sure. Cause it, cause again, it's almost like the devil you know, is the worst and the one you don't, you know, it's like this idea of like, Hey, you know, uh, I, you know, going back to you and, and just being drawn back to that. And this is, you know, it, right? It's like everybody has that fear of the unknown. Right. And just being, just being drawn to that and just being aware of that, you know, is a big thing of just being like I could, because the other thing is, is like, while many people, and I know we were talking about this too, it's like while many people have this, these great things that have come of it, maybe their, their marriages have gotten like a, you know, deeper connection or just the idea that, um, they've slowed down enough to just enjoy a simple pleasure in life.

Speaker 1 (09:10):

Like cooking a meal or going on a walk. Right. You know, all these things that people are taking the time to do now and, and gaining a lot of joy from, which is excellent, right? Not, not always being this hyper-stimulated state all the time. There's also the, this, the things that a lot of us don't want to think about that, Hey, you know, the, the single elderly person down the street who's just alone, that hasn't, hasn't had physical touch to someone in, in weeks or months even. Right. Um, you know, I think, and I was thinking about this the other day, like, you know, cause cause a lot of times these schools are shutting down and you know, a lot of kids are looking at it great. But for some kids out there, school is the only safe place they know, you know, because they're getting out of, you know, a chaotic, maybe dangerous home environment.

Speaker 1 (10:00):

And now because of this, they're stuck in that. Right. You know, with, with part, with a person that might be physically or emotionally abusive and, and they don't have that school to just be like, Hey, I'm safe here. At least, you know, like, and, and I'm, and again, me, you know, being, you know, I think engine just like a natural human drive, you just get so focused internally of like, okay, well I want this to be over. And it's like, yeah, I mean I think we all do, but, but man, just not even realizing all the people that I could potentially be helping just around me right now during this time for sure. And, and it's, um, yeah, it's, it's just a, it's an, it's just different, different way to look at it. And that's kinda what I wanted to look at and talk about is just that, that opportunity in front of us, you know? And, and I know I wanted to, you know, hear your thoughts cause we were talking about this, I think you said some good things and I just wanted to, um, you know, give you an opportunity to share your thoughts on this idea of seeing this as an opportunity, you know?

Speaker 2 (10:56):

Yeah. And I've felt a lot of those things that you've talked about, just, you know, because the way that I did business, you know, my day to day is, uh, the hobbies that I have, you know, basically were all shut down. And then so you start thinking like, well geez man, I was, what's going on with all these, these weird, you know, negative Ang anxious thoughts bumbling up in your head. Um, and it was, I just getting myself too busy to, you know, really take the time to like think about those things. Um, so yeah, it's just like a great opportunity to take inventory on your life and then figure out, you know, moving forward, like what you really want to put time into and what you should maybe be putting more time into. Um, and simplifying instead of adding, um, I don't, I don't know. For me, it's just like being in real estate and stuff and you know, always like looking for the motivation, you know, push harder in your, in your work. That seems to be like the, the theme out there in the entrepreneur world. It's like you got to get ahead or you know, somebody's going to be right there to take your spot. And it's like, you know, you look at your life and your lifestyle and it's like, well, maybe I can do both and maybe I readjust my expectations and what's really important. Um, and uh, what I put value in and, and uh, not put all my eggs in that work basket as much, I guess.

Speaker 1 (12:26):

Yeah, no. And, and, and that word opportunity, like, you know, I mean, there's countless stories out there, right? You know, of opportunities that have come before people and they've just missed, right. It's funny, I was thinking about like, trying to bring up a specific story, but I don't even want to do that because it's just like, I think it sets up a wrong precedent. Um, but, but like,

Speaker 1 (12:49):

look, if we operate, I was liked this, this idea from Tony Robbins of, of trying to look at life like life happens for you instead of to you, right? That you're not this victim of circumstance as opposed to like, life knows what it's doing, you know, and call that what you will God, you know, or life, you know what I mean? Like [inaudible] people phrase it differently. Um, but things that are happening can, can happen. Like it can be used for good, right? It's not necessarily that look, I mean, yeah, this, this virus, we don't know exactly how it's spread, but the reality is, is that it, all, all of the horrible things that are happening are really happening, right? We obviously acknowledge that. We know that and we hope for healing and recovery upon upon anyone that's struggling right now. We absolutely do. And, and, um, and obviously protect yourselves and do what they use the guidelines, right?

Speaker 1 (13:42):

But at the end of the day, like as individuals, the, the, the only thing that we have control over and in many, in many situations is just how we're managing ourself. Because a lot of people are just losing jobs, right? I mean, I mean, one of the things that this is shining a light on is all the things you don't have control over in life. Right? And like, I mean, I'm talking not only jobs, but entire markets are potentially being kind of just swept away here, you know? And, and, and that's something, yeah, I like all of that. It's just extremely concerning and disruptive. Right. And for sure, you know, I think this disruption and chaos that's happening, I mean, if anything I've learned anything is, is that, that's generally what it takes in many times for someone to look at themselves and actually make, make true changes in their life if, if they're needed.

Speaker 1 (14:36):

Right? Obviously there's external circumstances that we have to address, but as an internal individual, as I, it's, it's oftentimes, and when chaos and disruption enters our life that we are most self-reflective. Right. And that's at least what, you know, as a a, as a therapist is what I, I, I rarely, if ever I've ever seen someone come in in my office and like, you know what, my life's great. I just thought I'd add therapy to the mix. You know what I mean? Like it's just like, it just doesn't, it doesn't happen. Right. You know, because usually it's, my life is in such turmoil and chaos that I'm forcing change or falling off. Yeah. And, and I can't help but again, look at this entire situation and yes, in the midst of turmoil and chaos, like yeah, we're, we're making changes as countries, as States, right.

Speaker 1 (15:27):

But especially as individuals, like, you know, like what, what changes, right. You know, needed to be made. Right. That maybe wouldn't have been made if this hadn't happened. Right. And that's what I mean when it comes as like this idea of viewing this as an opportunity. Yes. You can look at that at every level. Right. It's an opportunity for us because, because again, like I think we were just, we were talking about this too, it's like we were living in this unprecedented time where life was just easy, super easy. I mean, life was easy, you know, as is as easy as a few clicks. You didn't need to leave your house. Right. I mean really, and it got to the point where just got easier and easier. It wasn't even that, it's not even that fast food was enough anymore. It was like, I want someone to go drive through the fast food line, hit me, my [inaudible] my door.

Speaker 1 (16:16):

Yeah. It's like, and you, and you think about that, you're like, well, you know, like at what point is too much for this, right. Cause, because the reality is, is that doesn't develop us as individuals. Easy, easy times don't develop us. Right. And if we look at life as, um, it's supposed to be happy and joyful and that's the only thing we're supposed to achieve. Yes. It's easy to see the situation as this catastrophe that's beyond measure. In fact, you know, um, on a personal level, someone I know, their neighbor just had a, you know, essentially a Merck killed himself and also his wife, um, you know, over a few, just a city down from me. Um, and it was in the person I know is their neighbor, right. And their whole street is just completely shaken up by this and the guy was just so, so much in turmoil over this idea of the economy collapsing and he couldn't fathom how it would ever come together again.

Speaker 1 (17:11):

You know what I mean? Um, you know, I know there's definitely middle age, but again, I don't want to get it. I mean it's in the papers and stuff, but not that I read the papers, but I heard it was in there anyway. So, um, but the point I'm making is, is that it's like, yeah, these disruptions, these disruptions, they, um, they force us to look within and they force us to make change. And, and again, I don't think we all, when, when, when life was going good, right? When life was super easy. We, we almost like we're creating our own problems in many ways, right? Like our art, our country. I mean, it never more divided, I don't think. Right. Maybe the civil war, but before you had, it was just like the anger that was being put out. Right. That like a lot of just the back and forth.

Speaker 1 (17:58):

It was just, it just seemed very chaotic. Right. I mean, I dunno what, what do you, what do you think about just that, that idea? Yeah, and I mean, it goes back to like biologically how we're wired. It's like a, I forget where I heard it, but somebody had said something similar to what you just said. Hey, we don't, we don't really have any problems. We don't have those threats of those physical threats that we used to have, um, from mother nature. Uh, even the weather, you know, we don't have to worry about that. If it gets too cold, you know, we click a button on the app, on our phone and we turn the heater on. Yeah. You don't get wood and then like heat up your house. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, exactly. So yeah, naturally our, our brain is just, you know, cause it's kept us alive for however many thousands of years because it's been able to detect, um, you know, an outside force trying to hurt us.

Speaker 1 (18:51):

Right. So when there really is none, and I mean, you know, uh, most of the world, none, there's still countries where they're dealing with this sort of. Sure, sure, sure, sure. But then that's where the whole hashtag first world problems came to be, I guess. Right, right, right, right, right. So with our first world problems, those are all, a lot of it is created like self-generated problems. Yeah. Self-generated. We come up with stuff to worry about and stuff to be angry about it and all that. And, and, and again, it's, you know, it's funny how a lot of that's just kind of washed away when we've encountered a real crisis, you know what I mean? And, and it's like, well, it puts us to question like, do we want to just go back into that, you know, do we want to go back into the division and the anger?

Speaker 1 (19:33):

And all, all the stuff that was, you know, it just kind of really prevalent at least, at least in the media. You know, it's like a spoiled child syndrome. A little bit. That's what we had a little bit, I mean w well cause cause we were talking and it's like man, you know, like we had the economy was, was in such a, such a place where you could have thriving businesses in like specialty markets where it's like, like, like you were saying like, like it's like specialty cupcakes, right. You could have just a business around that, which is awesome. Which is great. But I mean like that just shows you like how, how good things were, right. Where you could have a thriving business with, with something that fits a niche. Yeah. It's such a complete niche and in something that you know necessary. Like you don't need cupcakes.

Speaker 1 (20:19):

Right. There are luxury. Right? Oh, well some would argue. Yeah. I don't get, no, I love new cupcake. But, but then you, but you go into like, like you said, like just stores for clothes, for dogs, right. Or, or things like that. Where I mean, yeah, it's, yeah, I love the entrepreneurial, you know, mindset and creating these businesses. It's awesome. But what we've, what we're finding right now, you know, we have this real kind of economic pandemic happened and, and, or I'm sorry, the disease pandemic and then the economic kind of secondary effects, ripple effect. Yeah. And, and just kind of what that, what that's actually doing. And what I ultimately wanted to kind of tie this up with was just how like, look, you know, like I said, people don't, people don't look to work on themselves or to fix or to make change generally, unless pain and turmoil is present, you know?

Speaker 1 (21:12):

Um, and when I see, when I look at this as an opportunity, I mean, you know, we talked about this idea of cultivating faith, hope and love, right. You know, which again, are some of the opposites of fear and anxiety, right. And a lot of what our people are consumed in right now and like, how do we cultivate, how do we cultivate the opposite of that? Well, I think, you know, you have to have, you have to have, trying times to develop hope, right? Because you have to hope for something, right. It's, if, if you're, if things are too easy, you know, hope is, is, is a nonissue, right? Cause things are easy. Start taking it for granted. Yeah. And hoping for the future is good, right? And having faith in things, right, where you're like, you know, having trust and faith and building that and building love and connection, right.

Speaker 1 (22:00):

It's like this situation can, can force us to cultivate those things as individuals. And, and again, kind of that growing from the inside out approach as opposed to trying to change the world, right? We start working on ourselves and then our marriages, our relationships and then our families and then we kind of work from within. And the more we can become better and heal from within and ourselves and cultivate this stuff. I mean, that's what will promote the, at least in my opinion, that the growth from within. But I don't know. I mean, yeah. Yeah. But, well, I mean, what, and, and you know, w w what are your thoughts on, on just the opportunities that are here, right? You know, in front of us. Like what, I know you talked about obviously like working on yourself, but like for you, right? Or, you know, for maybe you and your wife, like what do you, what have you guys seen emerge as a positive, or what, what do you think would be the,

Speaker 2 (22:55):

yeah, probably it can grow, you know, just developing the, the friendship I think. And uh, putting the time in, you know, one of the things that we've been doing is we started walking, you know, three, four or five miles every day, be it in the morning or the afternoon. But we get that walk in. And then one of the things that we've both been noticing is it's just that that time without your phone, you know, we don't listen to anything on our separate phones. It's like a set time that we just kinda, you walk and you really get the feeling of, of, you know, you're walking so you're not going too fast. And I feel like I start kinda reconnecting with like, Oh, this is like, cause uh, and the funny thing is that we just brought up, uh, on our last walk was I was thinking about it and I couldn't remember what it was like to not be able to get ahold of someone specific right when I wanted to. In other words, just to be able to reach out and connect with somebody as opposed to, you know, when I was a kid it was like only landlines. So you called, they didn't pick up, you left a voicemail on the family voicemail and it was like, I can't remember what that was truly like anymore.

Speaker 1 (24:10):

Yeah, no, it's, it's an and, and that idea of connection, man, is, is something, I mean, you, you're speaking to it in our, in our previous conversation so, well, it's like just that idea of real connection, right. Instead of pseudo connection. And I mean, I don't know, you, you want to share those thoughts and that's right. It was like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:32):

Yeah. We were, I think we were talking about, uh, how we communicate, just be it over text messages or, you know, the social media I think is the biggest one right now. Um, you know, a lot of us and you know, I'm guilty too. You get sucked into Instagram or Twitter or Facebook or whatever you, you know, like, and uh, you know, you start developing, I think your, you coined it with the pseudo relationships. Um,

Speaker 1 (24:59):

but yeah, I said that. Yeah, that's someone way smarter than me that, yeah. And so, but yeah, I get it.

Speaker 2 (25:05):

So yeah, these, uh, you know, Instagram friends, we'll call them and quote it in air quotes. Um, but you know, truth is, is if you were in a pinch and somebody needed to do to pick you up at the side of the road, uh, you know, in the middle of the night or whatever, you ask one of your Instagram friends are probably probably not. Right.

Speaker 1 (25:24):

Um, yeah. And, and, and then on top of that, you know, it's like, you know, you look like, I mean, and I, and I feel the same way. I definitely feel like, uh, you know, we have, uh, our six month old baby coming up here in just a few, few days. So you know, like this, this self, this self isolation period has been, I think equally I think, you know, I know my wife was sharing with me and I'm sure she'll be okay if I share this, but just this idea of like, man, like one of the cool things about having a baby of course is, but it's also like sharing the baby with other people and like getting to see like, you know, introducing the baby to your friends and letting your friends, like kind of enjoy or, and everyone kind of experienced this idea of like watching the baby grow or do things like she, you know, she rolled over right recently and it was like, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (26:17):

And then we're having to like stream it to someone on the phone. And I'm like, it's like, you know, we're making do and that's great, but, but man, there's something about like being with your other family and having them all watch, you know, and just being there. Right. Yeah. And I think, I think it's this, this, you know, we were so used to using our screens to connect with the people. We didn't think anything of it. And then we took away, we took away real connection and like, it kind of shines a light on, like, you know, this is not, this doesn't actually satisfy the need for connection. This doesn't satisfy real relationship is just screens. Right. And I think that's the thing that has been a big, and, and I, and of course I've known that practically, but I haven't applied it well, you know, I mean, I really like, even even with us, right. I'll just be like, you know, text you real quick or whatever. Right? It's like, yeah, there's no reason I can't call you. You know, it was just, I'll just, I'm just gonna send him a text, you know, or whatever. Right. Sure. And, and, um, you know, it, it shines a light on many ways. I've done this in my own life with other relationships of just, of just not, not fully immersing in them, you know, not, not cultivating and not, not giving them the chance to grow into what they could be. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:30):

Oh. And I was just thinking, and it's like, and you know, we all kind of are feeling that way, so none of us are calling each other out on it that much. You know what I mean? It's just, it's got to be the norm. And you know, almost with this, it's like I've been finding myself, the people that have I-phones Matt, you should upgrade one day. It's like we're, I'm FaceTiming more now than I ever have because it's like, you know, again, you take that face to face for granted. Yeah. So I guess you can still use it to your advantage.

Speaker 1 (28:01):

Right, right. Well, and, and you know, but, but like data, that idea of cultivating love and I, and I don't, you know, like guys don't like to talk about like sappy stuff like this. Usually, you know, usually the role, they don't feel love. So, no, but what, I mean it's real. Right? You know, like we all need that connection. You know, we, we need human connection and the, it's, it's just so interesting to watch that this in many ways is shining a light and kind of saying like, look the way you guys have been doing stuff, you think it's good, but then to only have that, it's shining a light, at least for me. And I know for many others that I've heard from on this idea of like that actually doesn't feed you, that doesn't, that doesn't cultivate a relationship. It doesn't grow it, it might, it might kind of maintain it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (28:51):

Right. But yeah, it might supplement. I think it's a good supplemental tool like you're saying, right. It's like, Oh, in between times where we see each other, Hey, how you doing man? You know, it's just that quick little back and forth. But it cannot be the primary. Right. And you know, I do think that this will pass on. Do think [inaudible] we can, you know, I, I do think will, will emerge from this, but really, you know, like you said, it's, we've been going for walks to my wife and I, and we haven't been working on a puzzle, you know, like that's one thing we say we started. So I like that. Oh dude, I'm awful at puzzles by the way. I was, yeah. So I'm, I was like, it's kind of embarrassing, but, um, you know, so, but, but it's, it's this time where saying, Hey, look, I'm going to dedicate complete attention to this time with you.

Speaker 1 (29:34):

Right. And that's what grows real relationships. And, and I think a lot of us, again, are getting that chance to experience that. And, and the thing, my big fear is that when these Gates lift and stuff starts to balance out, which I believe it will, are we going to remember that or are we going to forget it? Or are we just going to just go back? Right. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Mines are tricky. Yeah. And because again, you know, we can use this as a kind of a wake up, right? It's when that chaos and stuff happens in life that, that we take the most action. Right? Yup. And, and using this I think is an opportunity, um, T to see the areas in your life where maybe there is some, some areas that might need some attention, you know, and, and saying like, Hey, you know what, let me work on that.

Speaker 1 (30:24):

And then more importantly, let me see it as, as the problem it is and then not just fall back into my own ways. Right. Really understanding the problem it is. And so, um, but anyways, no, I uh, totally appreciate your thoughts and I, I thank you for taking the time to be here today and just kind of talk, talk about it. Cause I just, I really enjoyed, you know, when we started talking about this earlier and that's why I wanted to try this as a, as um, you know, an episode for the show. Cause it's something we're all struggling with. You know, I mean mental health is mental health is something we all have, right? It's just in what degree it is at that stage of our life. Just like physical health, right. It's not, it's not something that these select few only struggle with.

Speaker 1 (31:03):

It's like we all have our challenges, you know, and, and being trailed transparent and open about them and, and, and working on them together is, is, is the way we're going to overcome our struggles, you know, so, um, yeah. Thank you. And, uh, you know, for those of you that again, uh, are interested in, in, uh, real estate in Southern California, what's your, uh, what's your hashtag, where can people find you if they, if they want to look you up? Oh, I'm on Instagram at realtor underscored Ninja. Yeah. Jason and I also trained to see together. So yeah, he's a, he's a Delt, dual thread. Um, but, um, anyways, um, you know, for, for everyone else to join in today, I just want to say thank you for, for tuning in to the show. Um, if you do need resources, we have a free guides and freeze free assessments [email protected] for anxiety. Um, and, uh, you know, we also have our overcoming anxiety program where I do, you know, live a weekly coaching as well as, um, the masterclass where, you know, we go through the tools and all that and our private community. And, um, yeah, we just want to say, uh, wish everyone well during this time and we're gonna again, we're gonna keep putting out shows and, and supporting as best we can during this time. So, uh, thank you all for tuning in and I hope you guys have a great day. Yeah, thank you, Tim. Bye.

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